Want to report a Mountain Lion sighting in New Hampshire? And the cougar embodies that. They kill big animals. So let's let's go to the phones. Patrick Tate: No downward pressure at all I think actually Sean turned up and we found the evidence there a number of people would finally say finally we can put this debate to bed. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. NH Fish and Game relies on physical evidence to answer questions about the presence or absence of mountain lion in the state. I just saw the head and the tail that was leaving. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. They just end up in these places. I hope she's listening and she had spoke to a lot of different people ended up having a couple of sightings of her alone without sort of by accident. John is calling from Bennington. I really really enjoyed listening to this program so thank you all very much. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. for some excitement. Patrick Tate: So one thing I'd say is DNA would definitely identify an animal animal's Mark line or not. And the second question is this a behavior mountain lions exhibit. Well thanks for sharing. Residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? He shifted gears in 2016 and began producing Outside/In, a podcast and radio show about the natural world and how we use it. His work has won him several awards, including two regional Edward R. Murrow awards, one national Murrow, and the Overseas Press Club of America's award for best environmental reporting in any medium. So that did it for me. So I certainly can't dispute anything that they said there's no evidence for me to go by to verify or say what my thoughts are on the situation. Me Im willing to believe its possible that there are some out there. Tim Yeah. Right. Peter Biello: Wow. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. I wanted to get your thoughts on the mystique of the mountain lion start with you Rick. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. Rick shaking his head so Rick now correct me please. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. This is the exchange. Peter Biello: So a little bit of nostalgia maybe for it for a better world embodied in the mountain lion. List of Mountains in New Hampshire is a general list of mountains in New Hampshire, with elevation.This list includes many mountains in the White Mountains range that covers about a quarter of the state, as well as mountains outside of that range.. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. The most common areas to see mountain lions in Arizona are in places of rocky and mountainous terrain. Have a photo. Mountain lion or cat running across. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. She is renowned for tracking. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. BRADFORD, N.H. - All that snow in parts of the Northeast has more than just kids jumping for winter joy. And I just said I saw I saw they from behind the shoulder all the way past the long tail. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. Mountain Lion report and as a biologist for the state that's a situation where if he said to me what did I see. Are there other powers that be worried that scary mountain lions will scare off people from camping in New Hampshire. And sometimes I've seen pictures of those where it's the question is What is that is that a bobcat. You can see two of them at Squam Lakes Natural Science Center in Holderness NH. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. So yeah as far as wildlife species that put deer and trees know there aren't any others that I know of that put deer in trees just just humans might be responsible for that. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. The book MAMMAL TRACKS & SIGN by Mark Elbroch has pictures of mountain lion scat found at a multiple beaver kill. Peter Biello: Well Mike thanks very much for sharing your story. I mean no doubt a seen Bobcat seen his stuff. Have it reported down in the Keene area. We we hear that there is allegedly a government conspiracy to deny the existence of mountain lions here in New Hampshire so I guess a local government conspiracy. Sam. NHFG Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate identifies this cat as a bobcat. Thanks for taking my call. There's never, ever, ever, ever been a documented case of a black mountain lion. Phone number 1 800. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. Updated: 9:53 AM EST Dec 6, 2016. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. And they were using all the habitat. So there's even debate about that very subject. When they were landing or taking off and it seems like it's been there for like. Peter Biello: Give us a call 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 you can also send us an email exchange at an HP morgue. It's got a a smudge of black and bobcats and links just don't have that we don't have any other cards. David Erler says some of them probably have. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Mark Elbroch doesnt think so. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. 1,470 likes. Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. They sent it already. There's no attraction. We'd love to have you in the queue. Thank you. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. m from a weed family Automotive on store Street in Concord is serving the Concord area families automotive needs since 1995. From involving members in projects as local as cleaning up an area park or as far-reaching as bringing sight to the world's blind, Lions clubs have always . Rick van de Poll: Well the mountain lion of course has been sort of an enigma in the wildlife suite for years and years. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. I have no doubt that there are mountain lion roaming New Hampshire. Are there Mountain Lions in NH?
And I think this is a really interesting story for a couple of reasons one is that it proves what Pat was saying which that basically from New York state where its traces was really picked up on a game camera around Lake George all the way down to Connecticut there was numerous. Had great trees behind it beautiful ferns on the ground so it brought me down on the site and the ferns on the ground matched. Which brings us to the next question, what are the odds that some of these reported sightings (which, when I posted about this on twitter, I immediately started to get as well) are actually people seeing a mountain lion? Its distinctive featurethe one that sets it apart from other North American wild catsis its tail, which is thick and often as long as its body. As I tried to get a picture of it so there was it was definitely we looked up all the pictures and it was definitely not a bobcat or anything else being it looked just like a mountain lion. Each person had their own copy and now it was identify the trees the species of tree matched. I've collected scat samples I've got several in my collection. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. These were normal everyday folks. I had a resident in New Hampshire tell me a story of a mountain lion in the 1960s where a person who would come summer in New Hampshire and then live in a different part of the country in the winter had a trailer that was housing his mount line. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all. Like why would you want one wildlife. If you believe you have seen a mountain lion and want to report it to NH Fish and Game, please contact the Wildlife Division at (603) 271-2461 or wildlife@wildlife.nh.gov to request an observation report form. The species that once inhabited the Northeast, known as the eastern mountain lion, is now extinct. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. Yeah 13 to 15 years ago 13 to 15 years ago. brings a lot of. They used to roam the entire continent, but have become extinct in most US states. But having read a bit of information about his cougar there are a darker subspecies. There was no sign of it. Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist thanks very much for being here this morning really appreciate it. Caller: Yeah I hadn't experienced blastoff fall so this was around September and I was driving from Webster into Concord on Horse Hill Road and anybody in the area would know I was right near the Red Barn and all of a sudden this animal jumps out of the woods and it bounded across the road in about two two giant leaps and stopped in the field just on the other side. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. Pelosi story here we go. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. So what those ranges. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. It's listed as population of least concern. So give us a call now. Peter Biello: Well hey Rob. As far as I could tell there was a positive DNA sequence coming from the scat sample Patrick. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. Thanks for your call. Patrick Tate: My line being a large predator a cat watch ambush his prey animal that hasn't been. Peter Biello: There have been several alleged sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. We mentioned that one cat that was hit by a car where it has it that it was a male looking for me. Your support makes this news available to everyone. Women control our lives. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. For all the men out there that don't realize it. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. That's pretty elaborate. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? Select image for larger view. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. It doesn't make much sense because you know mountain lions are as we as we said before. So what I'm getting back is the verifying and confirming of evidence what that was not there. How far were you from this cat. The second one was not only fresh but when I actually put my hand on it it was you know smelled like cat and I it's there's no denying a fresh mountain lions get if you can tell it every story that KOAT. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. No I saw a camel. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. I mean that so many of them are false sightings we. So one thing I'll add we're talking about natural dispensers but talking with the conservation officer in the 1980s they recall going to a residence telling a person you can live here but your mountain lion can't. And that's this morning at 10:00 here on NH PR. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Thanks very much. The number 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7 so promised a discussion about conspiracy theories. Copyright New Hampshire Fish and Game Department.An official New Hampshire government website. Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Hunting is legal, but closely regulated by the state. There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Do you want to see real, living mountain lions that do exist in New Hampshire. For me as a person who's handled many bobcats and looked at many pictures Bobcat the White chin Bobcat right off is what comes out to me and then the black the the roughs on our Bobcats we'll have sometimes have black fringes on them. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. Patrick Tate: It's wow interesting that you brought this up because I've had people report I saw cardamom. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Patrick Tate: So I agree with what Sam said in part that their ability to go undetected for amount of time but ultimately it was detected. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. Want to put this to to Patrick Tate who may have heard some some info or info from listeners like you about these these these cats. I've had a number of people call up and say I found a scout in the woods and I want it DNA identified. Have you seen one. Administrative Links. So Pat you field a lot of calls about people seeing or reportedly seeing mountain lions. Thank you. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. We'll also hear your stories if you have them again. Well let's hear from from Sue Morse again science director for the organization keeping track. Because I mean as we've heard in the past 10 minutes like there's there's some disagreement or at least some some vagueness about what an actual mountain lion should appear like in the wild assuming we can even get close enough. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. And so. So what a neat experience. On Oct. 10, he gave a slide talk called "Wild Cats of New Hampshire," which included the bobcat and the lynx. Pat ruse and he was sampling doing DNA samples from cats in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Thanks for a great thanks. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . I'm Peter Biello. So for our scientists to do the lumping and whatnot. The exchange is a production of New Hampshire Public Radio. It doesn't happen as much anymore. And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. But the state always denies it, and none of us know why they deny it. As recently as 2011 there was one young male mountain lion that cruised all the way from the black hills of South Dakota, up over the Great Lakes, down through New Yorkgetting spotted all along the waykilled a beaver near the Quabbin Reservoir in Central Massachusetts, left behind prints and DNA at that site, and then was hit by a car in Connecticut. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . And boy it was big it had to be at least 200 pounds the thing was you and and it just made a little bit of noise and it was gone. So so do what you can get to do what you can to get proof. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. From: Boomerdog in OK 08-Oct-07 These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. Peter Biello: We mentioned that the eastern cougar and the Western cougar are they were separate eastern cougar believed to be extinct. Tell us your story. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Why are there so many false positives? The second story window through about 30 feet away from it. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. Patrick Tate: So Cougar Mountain Lion katama. Lots of people have stories about them, people have them on their game cameras I mean its kind of a thing. Don't miss your chance to win three two thousand dollar gas gift cards at any station of your choice not to mention the grand prize twenty five thousand dollars toward a new car. Mountain Lions in NH. I tracked cats and all the western states.
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