I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. 3) Angles in the houses & aspects. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Thank you very much Dawn. You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. Thank You so much for Your answer! This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). 1) Planetary house overlays (1, 5, 7, 8, 9 = most important) 2) Planetary aspects. Star*Mate Composite Report by Pamela Thompson It also works the other way. You may struggle with understanding your emotions and cannot express them in a healthy way. Two sides of the same coin. Saturn and Pluto and Ascedant. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) etc. PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! As a 8th house sun Virgo 8th Venus Leo I am sure this adds to my sexual nature. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. You have nailed my experience. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. We tried to stop but we couldnt be in the same room aloneI know it sounds nothing more than two horny people getting together but it really wasnt the same..or was it? The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. Composite Pluto Through the Houses - Stars and Tarot You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves, not feeling safe expressing them for whatever reason. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. hi dawn For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). Thank You so much for Your answer! They rip the rug from under you every other day. We feel that our twelfth house planets dont work the way our other planets do, or the way that same planet seems to behave in other peoples charts. I dont know if what we have count as a heavy 12th house but we have our north nodes in the 12th with vesta in virgo, and our south nodes in the 6th with the vertex in pisces. The Twelfth House People - Mystic Medusa Astrology Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . It also governs much, much more, however. Just endings in general. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. Thank you very much. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. venus all in the 12th house. But, our composite chart is weird. Look at what sign the 12th house is in. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. Learning to become unattached to outcome is a Neptunian theme in general. this is honestly so beautiful to read. I have 12th house with my partner, but also many Saturn and Pluto Aspects. Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. Black Moon Lilith in 12th house suggests an interest in the occult and esoteric teachings. Thank you for this series of articles! . No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. Im kinda tired of dancing with men who enjoy attempting control and am tired of the endlessly unavailable creatures that keep crossing my path in life. Found the site while trying to decipher a stellium in a composite 12th house. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. such is the nature of the 12th, beautiful and terrible.! intresting to know why its so bad. I dont have enough information, but the chart emphasis leads me to believe that you are right in your analysis, that the partnership finds its life in the upper houses. We are both married similar age kids. If the Composite Sun is in the 1 st House, there will be a focus on this relationship. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? Those with this placement can benefit significantly from learning how to . Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. We are very romantic together and trust each other. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. hi dawn:) in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. The 12th house is the house of the hidden, the subconscious, spirituality, karma, and as the last house, it governs endings. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. Besides synastry, the twelfth house in a composite chart can also be telling when it comes to karmic relationships. Was our purpose to heal each other? It will revolve around sorrow, secrets, fantasies, hidden desires, emotions, and everything that belongs to our little secrets without physical forms. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. . . Mysterious things attract you. He says what on thinking. thanks Dawn for your reply. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. IP: Logged. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. It contains everything and nothing . My husband and I have composite sun conjunct Saturn in the 12th, composite moon conjunct Venus in the 1st. We grasp for the handrail, and find nothing to hold on to. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. Composite, Davison Chart . His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. RUN ? There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Very exquisitely put. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. venus+mars, etc. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. In the second house of values, beware . I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Such a great article! Its part of me. Dear Dawn, One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Sometimes the ego gets in the way of our path, whether through fear, resistance to growth, resistance to break old habits and personal tendencies, or through a lack of interest in what is wanted of us. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. This position can show one person makes all of the sacrifices and the other person takes everything . We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy. A very painful and challenging connection. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? I read your article and its really touching! You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. The Sun and Moon in the 7th house are especially encouraging for a new relationship (if you're single) because your main focus for the year (the Sun) plus your emotional concerns will be united in that area. What do You think about Davison Chart? Now, you can either say its karma, or you can say that person A is psychologically hooking onto the archetype formed with person Bs chart, but whatever it is, it can be a very powerful pull. Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Thanks! Emotional Suppression. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Pluto is elevated in the composite chart close to the midheaven in the 9th. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. For whatever reason, you may have a secret relationship . Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. . so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. The Composite Chart Sun - Through the Houses - Galactic Mystic I have met my match. Composite Venus in the 12th House. along with Juno. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. But I do have one question? Could be a seperation. Reply. Whatever the motive, we know we are facing some sort of extremeand a choice. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. scares me a bit. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. Click on "Chart Type" >>. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. I was heart broken all over again. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. It depends on your Venus ' condition. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. Lilith in the 12th House. Thanks so much Dawn. me and this guy who dont know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Juno is also important. This resonates with me. Venus (love) and Mars (sex) in the 7th House are a strong testimony as well. For him, its TOO many of his own issues. Everything you said is so on point. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. oh gosh do not i know this! Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. The Composite 12th House in Astrology i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. Lilith in 11th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 11th House With Composite Lilith in the 11th house, you can get along swimmingly as friends, regardless of the type of partnership. Its bad enough that we have difficulties with the 12th house when it involves the natal chart, but it often is downright cruel when were trying to negotiate its slippery slopes in a composite. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. It doesnt matter. but the composite chart provides the critical information of where a relationship is going and what are its advantages and disadvantages? They seem bonded before a word is spoken. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. North Node in 12th House - Synastry and Meaning - Astro Majesty yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. I am at a point where Im in limbo and ready to let go if necessary, but I am paralyzed by the confusion and inability to understand whats at the root of what led us to this point. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. Am i trapping my self? We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. Im glad youre enjoying it. In general, a composite Jupiter in the second house makes a couple value a life lived on the grandest scale possible. The trauma you have experienced can be in relationships. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. We have a composite 12th house sun mars and venus in Cancer! Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) Chiron in 12th House - Synastry and Meaning - Astro Majesty Past Life Indicators in Synastry and Karmic Relationships - Astrology I thought that because of the 8th house or vertex, I forced him to confront his own dark side. Nessus Astrology - A 2023 Complete Guide To Nessus Asteroid and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. He didnt want to commit/marry. Thank you, Tricia. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. Do you think that is true? Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. The same person I've had mutual 12th house synastry with has sun in 12th house composite with me. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. I would need a full synastry to really answer your question. Your article is amazing! We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. (You can have this without the 12th of course, but the 12th is inclined to it.) should i run away from this relationship? Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. But I think you can count on that Jupiter for evoking good will between you should you decide to reconcile. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. These are the couples who are magnetically attracted to one another and who, after making the necessary commitments, find themselves on strange and unfamiliar territory. I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. I found so many answers and maybe some dissapointments as well :/. We both feel we have been together over many lifetimes. We were happy plutonicay together. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. They feel invisible or alone. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. Lilith in the 12th house - meaning explained | Zodiac Story so we find the True in each other. . We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. Mine is conjunct with his moon. I do all these within a synastry consulation. What to make of this? Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. It often indicates couples who seem to have a lot of shared experience and shared historyeven if they are new to one another, it feels old. They recognize one another when they meet. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? It doesn't have to be a breakup. The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship.