It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). Pat will spend the rest of her natural life in prison where people like her belong. Thank you Kerry. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. No explanation given. If Patricia had injuries it wouldve only been to her hands and she wasnt questioned right away which is also the reason she took Joanne elsewhere to kill her so her body wouldnt be found for a while and she would have time to return home. Davidson County Sheriff's deputies helped with interviews, gathering evidence and checking alibis. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? Play it now! Or did they? Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Rorrer is as guilty as OJ Simpson. Whether or not one believes said person has a motive, did investigators have an actual factual case or not? The additions come as KFC recently removed some menu items, including wings, popcorn chicken and cookies, to make room for new additions. Do not sell or share my personal information. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Youll have to make do with what you see here. Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. Andrew Katrinak said he found his basement door ajar and removed from its hinges, and a phone line had been cut. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Chambers also didn't want to speak about her daughter. I dont think so. New state, new man. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Andrew Tates legal team has claimed he has a tumour as the detained influencer faces another month in a Romanian prison. Had there been a switch? Buckingham Palace and the Duke of York have been approached by MailOnline for comment. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. Name. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. This woman killed and is where she belongs! Mrs. Katrinak had been shot in the face and . Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. ``Some people just don't know how to let go,' Hege said. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Its barely visible in the picture. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Weak wages. Just saying. Joanne wouldnt have fought back as she was shot therefore almost immediately incapacitating her and was holding her son. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. So, lets take your response one step at a time. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Andrew has not demanded this. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. You are absolutely right. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. She should have received the death penalty imo. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been imprisoned in Romania since late December on suspected rape and human trafficking offences. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? A correction to the comment above. But hang on You ask that I show care with my wording and show all the tolerance in the world, and by that you presumably mean I should simply ignore those who villify her in the most disgraceful way, probably in the opinion that all readers of their comments will agree, and no one is going to take offence! Officers escort Andrew Tate, centre, and his brother Tristan Tate to the Court of Appeal in Bucharest. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. However, Romanian officials have refused the request, saying he can be attended to in Romania. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. You know whats interesting? Join thought-provoking conversations, follow other Independent readers and see their replies, Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. Neighbors remember seeing her place the child on horses for short rides. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). The feminist in me is, like, hell yeah!: Will men take the male contraceptive pill? Pat had a string of bad relationships in her past and was not happy. Its totally irrelevant. Im trying to understand exactly your reasoning asking me staying away from this site because of my insulting remarks! Davidson County Sheriff Gerald Hege said it was a case of fatal attraction. Mary was born in August 1891, in Connecticut. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. It was Patricias hair no question. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. Lie detectors are pseudo science. She was also accused of breaking into barns, stealing horses, and underfeeding the ones she owned. The state police targeted Rorrer as a suspect that summer, and troopers traveled to North Carolina eight or nine times, Kohuth said. All my comments have been vetted and approved by this sites organisers so how do you see yourself as the judge of whats acceptable or not? Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. He said she paid her bills on time, fed his horse along with hers and comforted him when his father died in December. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say. She was the one that left Andy! Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. He helped her take horses to day care centers, where she would take photographs of children with the horses. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. Why would somebody tell you, theyre going to fry me, if they didnt do it? Jarrett told Wrong Man. Angry that Joann hung up on her, she stalked her for three days, then broke into her basement and cut the phone line, put a gun to Joanns head as she was placing Alex in the car, and forced her to drive to the rural area. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Until next time, cheers. They were telling the truth and revealing the type of person she was, a person that definitely would kill out of jealousy and revenge. Their bodies were found nearly four months later. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. Her mother was married to my uncle. It was Mr Tates third appeal against his detention since his arrest. Prince Andrew was seen smiling while riding a horse this morning despite tensions with King Charles who reportedly asked him to leave Royal Lodge. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Have you read the book? At the states request, the instructor wore a wire during a phone conversation with Patricia. A Patent Pending People Search Process. I really never thought of it again.. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. All 3 of her alibis were lies, DNA tied her to the murder, there was no sexual assault, she had a violent past, was obsessed with Andy, and was caught lying about owning a gun, which coincidentally jammed after firing once and shell cases were found on her property. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? He retired as a general foreman at Bethlehem Steel in 1981 after 30 years of employment. Stevie J Further to my previous comment, I should add the following. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. The missing hairs probably got destroyed in testing.. thats how they test them.. and reports are wrong all the time. Prince Andrew has offered to manage some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion, Royal insiders have claimed that the King said 'there is no chance' of Andrew being allowed to manage the Royal estates, The Duke of York had offered to take over the management of Balmoral Castle - his late mother's beloved summer residence. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. The attorney, Craig Neely, also argues he has the testimony of a police officer who worked on the case to back up his claim, according to the report. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. ``People who work with horses, they love 'em, rub 'em, pet 'em, and at the same time they can be firm with 'em, jerk their bits if they need to,' Hege said. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Then you claim this is an opinion. Pennsylvania troopers will take her to Bethlehem, Pa., today. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group, 'I felt different to the rest of my family - and my mum felt the same': Prince Harry opens up on his 'broken home' upbringing saying parents rowing in front of children 'is not a good idea' - but FAILS to mention William once in 90min toxic trauma chat, DONALD J TRUMP: The world has finally woken to the truth about the Wuhan virus. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Prior to his incarceration, Mr Tates had a medical consultation in Dubai about a serious health condition, his team said. You have permission to edit this article. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. U.S.M.C. After Joann Katrinak, the wife of Patricias former flame, turned up dead along with her infant son, prosecutors suspected Patricia. Andrew Katrinak reported missing his wife, Joanne and 3.5-month-old son, Alex, in December 1994. The real killer is Rorrer! And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Another glaring omission is Early in the investigation, the police in their zeal to add some substance to their fanciful theory about the gun used in the crime, did a thorough search of Rorrers back yard/garden (where they did target practice) looking for spent shells and bullets, in order to do a forensic comparison with the bullet recovered from the victim. Search by Name Search . If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. Acquaintances said Rorrer started dating Brian Ward, 34, in 1995. The evidence was all there. Combination locks. 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", The much-faster-than-expected economic recovery thats followed the easing of the coronavirus pandemic has produced several encouraging develo. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. . Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. Flaw in reasoning. Find Andrew Katrinak's phone number, address, and email on Spokeo, the leading people search directory for contact information and public records. Username. "His wish is to attend a prearranged consultation in Dubai . The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. This weekDuke of York said he does not want to leave his mansion in the grounds of Windsor Castle despite telling friends he fears he will be unable to afford its upkeep if the King cuts his 250,000-a-year grant. 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And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Authorities said the 3-month-old died either of suffocation or of exposure while lying on his mother's stomach. Your details from Facebook will be used to provide you with tailored content, marketing and ads in line with our Privacy Policy. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. Lived In Drake CO . King Charles is planning to cut the Duke's annual . Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. Prosecutor pounds away. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. (Nope. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? Other family members and associates include Paige Keenan . She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. Discuss and express opinion; stop short of asserting that those of the other view (that of judge and jury, at least) are ignorant of facts and wrong, and youre right, because by definition its reasonable for lay people to accept the jury verdict. WoW! Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Rorrer was convicted at trial in March 1998 of kidnapping Joann Katrinak, 26, and her 3-month-old son, Alex, on Dec. 15, 1994, from their Catasauqua home, shooting Katrinak in the face, and leaving her and the child in the woods in Heidelberg Township. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. His doctors have requested that he returns to Dubai for further testing. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. Start your Independent Premium subscription today. Cop defends accused. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. His favorite rattle, shaped like a phone, lay near the crime scene. More Local News to Love Start today for 50% off Expires 3/6/23, Kurt Bresswein | For lehighvalleylive.com, argued in Lehigh County Court that investigators mishandled DNA evidence, new information from the lab reports show the samples had no roots. But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation.